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General Information

  Is making my own spirits safe and legal?
How long does it take to make each batch of spirits?
Which type of still produces the most alcohol? Reflux or Pot Stills?
If I add more sugar to my wash will I get more alcohol?
General points on the quality of my finished spirit?
Will I make methanol when I distill?
Why don't I have to age my spirit like commercial distilleries?
What sort of result would distilling beer provide? Perhaps a pot still would provide an interesting result.
I note some suggestions to add a little salt to the wash before beginning distillation to raise the boil point. Is this a worthwhile consideration?


Still Selection

If I use a later model still that produces purer alcohol what is the advantage over the older models if I then collect less spirit?


Flavours

I am Gluten intolerant and would like to know if Still Spirits flavours contain any Gluten?

Trouble Shooting

Why is my spirit coming out of the still cloudy?
What measures can I take to guard against cloudy spirit?
Can I treat the cloudy spirit and make it drinkable?
Why is my yield of distilled spirit so low?
Sediment forming in spirit after carbon filtration.
My Pot Still Condensor does not appear to be working properly
My thermometer seems to give strange readings. 
I have discoloured spirit or floaters in my spirit.
I get blue spirit from my still.
What do I do if my cold tap water is above 20o C.
My still does not seem to heat up as indicated in the instructions;  

Continuous Filter

Why does the spirit drip through the Continuous Filter so slowly?
Why does the spirit drip through the Continuous Filter too fast?
My filtered spirit has a grey tint or sediment after filtering.
The retailer I have spoken too is offering an in line Z carbon filter system and they claim this negates the need for any further carbon treatment. Can this be true?

Still Design & Modification


Can I connect a longer column between the condenser and the still ad make purer alcohol?
Do you offer a pot with two elements for quick heat up after which one is turned off.
Can I modify the water supply to the condenser to control the reflux condenser and the main condenser separately.
I note in some literature on the subject that the output can benefit from contact with copper. Do you have a view on this?

Previous Product versions


Why does my 20 litre Thermoplastic still run for about 2 hours then cut out?

Is making my own spirits safe and legal?
The Still Spirits process involves the controlled manufacture of alcohol from a known mix of nutrients,  sugar and yeast. The distillate is then cleaned with activated carbon to remove unwanted flavours. Following the instructions will result in pure clean alcohol that in most cases has less byproducts than alcohol produced from more traditional sources. Home distilling is legal in New Zealand but not in most other countries. In most situations local authorities appear reluctant to move against citizens producing alcohol for their own use. However authorities in all countries take a very dim view of anyone producing alcohol for sale. 

How long does it take to make each batch of spirits?
Depending on the type of yeast and nutrients and based on the Z Filter carbon process, you can be drinking your own home made spirits within 7 days.

Which type of still produces the most alcohol? Reflux or Pot Stills?
All stills collect alcohol from your wash at varying strengths. The total amount of alcohol collected is dependent on how much is present in your wash. Reflux Stills collect less in volume but this is much higher in alcohol strength. Alcohol should always be watered down to below 50%/V before filtering. After filtering, and watering down, the total amount of finished alcohol should be the same no matter which still you have used. The exception to this rule is the new Super Reflux still which sacrifices 5% quantity for higher quality.

If I add more sugar to my wash will I get more alcohol?
You may do, but do not add more than the recipe or manufacturer recommends as yeast varieties are selected for different properties. A yeast variety which can ferment rapidly may not be very resistant to alcohol. If this is the case, adding too much sugar may result in unfermented sugar remaining in the wash. This may cause the wash to froth during distilling. Most spirit yeasts/nutrients have a recipe printed on them. There are four Turbo varieties available from Still Spirits; Standard Turbo, Turbo Extra, 24 Hour Turbo Express and Temperature Tolerant Turbo. Select the yeast which best suits your needs.

General points on the quality of finished spirit?

  1. Pot stills collect all the condensate from the boil and condense it. Reflux stills have a separate chamber which further purifies the condensate before it condenses it. This produces a distillate which is more concentrated and contains less impurities than pot stills and so it follows that they produce better quality spirit.
  2. The degree of carbon treatment and type of carbon. Always use a reputable brand of carbon that has been designed specifically for the job. Any old carbon or charcoal will not do. Some distillers actually run the spirit through the filter twice or three times to improve its smoothness.
  3. The type of wash used. It is essential to use a high quality yeast and nutrient to produce the wash and to maintain the correct fermentation temperatures. Distilling unwanted or excess beer, wine or other ingredients may cause equipment damage or failure as well as producing less than desirable or even poisonous by-products.
  4. Aging. By storing some of the spirit you produce in glass in a cool dark place for a long period of time it will mellow. Some distillers age their spirit in oak barrels to imitate the commercial brands. This process may be imitated by the addition of oak chips or essences to the spirit. Age spirit in bulk for best results.
  5. The percentage at which the alcohol is consumed. For best results do not drink the spirit at greater than 40% alcohol by volume.

Will I make methanol when I distill?
You may produce extremely small quantities of methanol when distilling Still Spirits Turbo products. These will be removed in the first portion of distillate which is separated and called the head. As we are only fermenting sugar with a known yeast and nutrient mix, the byproducts such as methanol are minimal. If you wish to distill other mixtures then methanol could be produced and could prove disastrous.

Why don't I have to age my spirit like commercial distilleries?
Over the ages distilleries have been positioned as a result of excess raw materials. The excess raw materials have usually been inexpensive or in some cases like Rum have been a waste product and costly to dispose off. These cheap raw materials have been converted into potable alcohol and aged to improve their smoothness, sometimes in oak barrels to also remove unwanted flavours and any unwanted alcohols. Raw spirit from some of these products can be undrinkable and even dangerous so ageing is necessary for many reasons. Making alcohol using pure sugar, Turbo Yeast, Still Spirit Carbons and drinkable water produces an extremely clean alcohol. We then add essences to the drink to copy your favourite tipple. 

What sort of result would distilling beer provide? Perhaps a pot would provide an interesting result.
We don't recommend distilling anything other than our Turbo's as you can not be certain what other compounds are present in other alcoholic mixes. In the case of beer there are a lot of volatiles in hops etc. that you would not want in the distilled spirit and will not be removed by carbon treatment.
I note some suggestions to add a little salt to the wash before beginning distillation, to raise the boiling point. Is this a worthwhile consideration?
Using salt will not make any difference to what boils off or when. The amount of energy applied to the wash will determine the amount of steam that is boiled off.
If I use a later model still that produces purer alcohol what is the advantage over the older models if I then collect less spirit?
During the process of purifying to a higher level more impurities are removed leaving more pure alcohol. If the spirit was then diluted with clean water to the same strength as our previous stills the spirit collected from the latest Super Reflux Still would be considerably more pure. You do however get about 8% less drinkable spirit using the Super Reflux still than our standard Reflux. (You can't have everything!)

Why is my spirit coming out of the still cloudy?

  1. The wash has not been allowed to settle with excess sediment dropping to the bottom of the fermenter.
  2. Fermentation temperature is too high causing the production of unwanted but harmless proteins.
  3. The distilling equipment is dirty or faulty.
  4. The wash is not fully fermented.

What measures can I take to guard against cloudy spirit?
The best method is to add some "distilling conditioner" to your wash in the still boiler before starting. This stops the excessive foaming in the boiler which is caused by high concentrations of proteins and unfermented sugars. Distilling conditioner allows distillation even if your wash has not fully fermented out.

Can I treat the cloudy spirit and make it drinkable?
The usual carbon filtering process will in most cases remove the cloudiness, but a sure way is to redistill the cloudy spirit mixed with water, or, with your next wash. Helpful Hint: Make sure that you add enough water to ensure that the element will still be covered when all the alcohol has been boiled off.

Why is my yield of distilled spirits so low?
Your wash has most probably not fermented out properly. Always check your wash with a beer, wine and wash hydrometer before distilling. Check your still for any steam leaks. Make sure you are following the operating instructions.

Sediment forming in spirits after carbon filtration

This is a very rare occurance. The fine sediment is in fact mineral salts which originate within the activated carbon itself. When spirit runs over activated carbon which contains some mineral salts, some mineral salts can be absorbed into the spirit. Later, once the temperature has dropped, these mineral salts start to become insoluble in the spirit and after a few days a fine sediment appears in the spirit. This fine sediment (sometimes looks like a milky haze, other times it drops to the bottom of the bottle) is the mineral salts originally from the activated carbon. These mineral salts are absolutely 100% safe (in fact essential for life!) but you don't want them in your spirit.

Under certain circumstances, some of this residual mineral content gets dissolved into distillate spirit as the spirit flows over the activated carbon. Think of it this way, as the spirit passes through the activated carbon, the carbon absorbs the vast majority of 'volatiles' from the spirit and holds them within the internal pore structure - however, under certain circumstances, mineral salts contained within the carbon may pass into the spirit. Whether mineral salts do indeed get dissolved into the spirit depends upon 2 main variables:

1. The amount and types of mineral salts within the particular batch of carbon.
2. The pH and chelate chemical (eg organic acids like citrate are a chelating agent) content of the spirit.

Obviously, we have no control over 1. In a perfect world we would persuade the supplier to first wash with an inorganic acid like they currently do and then wash with organic acids to remove the remaining salt content. 

These mineral salts remain soluble in the spirit for some minutes / hours because the spirit temperature is warm and so has higher solubility. After the spirit has cooled, these mineral salts will begin to become insoluble. If you had a spectrophotometer to measure even the slightest haze, you would begin to 'see' the spirit 'go hazy' after just a few hours. To the naked eye, you will not start to see these solids until after 2 or 3 days (may be less or more depending upon the level of mineral salts present).

Re-filtering through activated carbon will not help, but 're-filtering' through an ordinary wine filter or even a coffee filter, say 1 week after the filtering through carbon would remove the insoluble mineral salts and hence solve the problem. But spirit should be stored cold (not frozen) during this week to ensure anything that is going to become insoluble, does become insoluble). If the spirit is left for long enough (3 or 4 weeks?), it should be easy to pour off the bright spirit from a white sediment at the bottom of the bottle. 

This problem is likely to be influenced by certain environmental conditions like temperature and water quality.

My Pot Still Condensor does not appear to be working properly
Not a lot can go wrong with this condenser other than the hoses being put on the wrong way around. It is important to have the water flow in from the bottom and the over flow to come out from the top. That way the condenser jacket fills with water. If the hoses are on the wrong way around then the water will take the quickest route and will not fill the entire jacket. This will reduce the efficiency of the cooling and could result in some alcohol lost in steam from the still.

Water flow.
The water flow required with a Pot Still is very high. Typically 2 – 3 litres per minute. This is required because the condenser is not very efficient. In warmer climates where the cold water is above 20o C. it may be necessary to fit a cooling coil to the water inlet tube and to immerse this in a tank with ice added to bring the temperature of the incoming water down.

My thermometer seems to give strange readings
Make sure that the thermometer is inserted into the bung so that the red bulb of alcohol at the bottom of the thermometer is positioned at the point where the steam is coming up and changes direction to go into the main condensing chamber. If the thermometer goes in too far then a higher reading will result. If it is not in far enough a lower reading may result. Don’t rely 100% on the thermometer as we are not providing laboratory quality instruments. The temperature is a guide only. If there are no steam leaks and the correct amount of sugar was added and fermented, then collecting the right quantity is the safest method of determining when to stop collecting. If the spirit is then at the desired strength then you can assume that all is well.

I have discoloured spirit
New condensers can sometimes produce discoloured spirit the first or second time that they are used. All condensers are acid washed to remove welding flux etc. after manufacture but problems can still arise.

Yellow spirit can also be produced if too much spirit has been collected on the previous run. Byproducts build up inside the condenser and are flushed out with the next run. The carbon treatment should remove this but redistilling gives the customer peace of mind. Clean the condenser before use.

Dark bits or "floaters" in the spirit
This is more common in the Pot Still than the Reflux but can happen in both. It is almost always caused by collecting too much spirit. This usually shows up the next time the still is run.  To fix this problem clean the condenser as below and only collect the recommended amount.

How to clean the condenser
Soak in white vinegar or Coca-Cola. Rinse it with a weak solution of dishwashing liquid and water then wash any residue off after treatment with plenty of clean water. This treatment should clean the condenser then start the oxidation process again which hardens the surface of the copper.

I get blue spirit fomr my still
Blue spirit can be caused by a reaction from certain washes containing excessive amounts of nutrients, and the copper in the condenser. As some washes have an imbalance of nutrients, certain by products like ammonia and Acetic acid can form in the wash in large quantities. This is then distilled and attacks the copper. This is extremely uncommon when using Still Spirits Turbo products. Do not add more than one sachet per 25litre brew.

What do I do if my cold tap water is aboce 20oC?
When this happens you will need to run more than 400 mls of water per minute through your Reflux condenser. In your Reflux still instructions it tells you to run water at 400 mls per minute. This relies on the tap water being below 20o C. If you are in a warmer climate like Australia you may need to increase your water flow but this creates a problem with the efficiency of the condenser and excessive use of water. To overcome this problem, cut the hose that feeds water to your condenser from the tap and fit a 2 metre coil of copper tube in between the cut sections. Submerse this copper coil in chilled water. Keep the chilled water cool by adding 2 litres of ice from an ice cream container or similar which has been filled with water and prefrozen.

My still does not seem to heat up as indicated in the instructions
Check that the correct element has been installed.
5 litre Stills should have SS1000 stamped on them.
25 litre Stills and 3 in 1 Fermenters should have SS1380 stamped on them.
Elements for use in the USA are not round but have a definite kink in them.

If the wrong element is fitted it would either take longer or shorter to heat up.  Here is a rough guide to ascertain that the element is working properly . For a 5 litre still it should take 35 minutes to heat up and start distilling. For a 25 litre Still it should take about 1 hour 25 minutes.

Why does the spirit drip through the continuous filter so slowly?
This may be caused by the following.

  1. Too much high activity carbon has passed down the tube to the black cartridge after the tap has been turned on. Helpful Hint: Put a 25 mm spacer under the continuous filter, at the front where the hose exits to the continuous filter. This will tilt the container back, and ensure that the High Activity Carbon settles to the back of the filter. This will avoid any carbon from settling over the outlet to the filter cartridge which could block it.
  2. It is important to let most of the High Activity Carbon settle before opening the tap and letting the spirit flow through to the filter cartridge. This takes 24 hours. If you open the valve too soon then too much carbon may flow down the tube and clog the filter paper making the process go much slower.
  3. The Filter Cartridge may have been overfilled with Finishing Carbon. As the carbon reacts with the spirit it expands and heats up. Always leave a 10 mm gap for expansion.
  4. Temperature: The filter system operates best at normal room temperature. As the spirit cools down it becomes thicker. As a result, in winter the whole process slows down. Try heating your spirit before adding it to the reservior or putting the Continuous Filter in a warm place.
  5. Too many filter papers or the wrong type of filter paper.
  6. A dirty or clogged tube, tap or cartridge. The whole Continuous Filter should be rinsed thoroughly after every use.
  7. Impatience: Remember that the Continuous Filter is removing unwanted impurities from your spirit. Trying to speed things up too much will effect the quality of your spirit.

Why does the spirit drip through the Continous Filter too fast?
If the spirit runs through too quickly it is usually due to the filter paper not sitting correctly. This can occur when the continuous filter has not been cleaned properly after use. Always ensure all Finishing Carbon is cleaned out of the cartridge. The filter paper can also be dislodged by the spirit reacting with the Finishing Carbon. Simply repack the cartridge using the same carbon and paper. Helpful Hint: The carbons are designed to work in tandem. When you open the tap and start the flow of spirit to the filter cartridge, some of the HA Carbon comes down with the spirit. This forms a coating on the filter paper which then filters out any more carbon. If you reset the filter and don't have sufficient HA Carbon on the paper then the filter paper may not work correctly. To remedy this simply ensure some of the HA Carbon is mixed into the first lot of spirit that comes down the tube. Also ensure that you use Still Spirits HA Carbon as your first treatment in the Continuous Filter.

Why does my filtered spirit have a grey tint or sediment after filtering?
Some traces of carbon have come through the filter. Run your spirit through the finishing carbon again making sure the filter paper is properly positioned.

The retailer I have spoken to is offering an inline Z carbon filter system and they claim this negates the need for any further carbon treatment. Can this be true?
Yes, the Z Filter is a one step process which has definitely set a new standard for Carbon treatment of spirit.
Can I connect a longer column between the condenser and the still and make purer alcohol?
Yes, using a longer column will likely result in slightly purer alcohol but you will have to compromise time and volume. Using our turbo's and carbons negate the need to do this.
Do you offer a pot with two elements for quick heat up after which one is turned off?
We do not as this requires a power supply of over 10 amps which is not permitted in a plug in appliance.

Can I modify the water supply to the condensor to control the reflux condenser and the main condenser seperately?
The condenser is designed to be made as simple to use as possible. You could adapt our condenser in the way you suggest but I don't think you will get any advantage unless your water temperature is extremely high. If that is the case then cooling the inlet water by running it through a copper coil immersed in water with ice added would be more effective and simpler.

I note in some literature on the subject that the output can benefit from contact with copper. Do you have a view on this?
Yes, copper reduces the amount of sulphur compounds found in the distillate. Still Spirits condensers have Copper content for this reason.

Why does my Thermoplastic still run for about 2 hours then cut out?
Some early model stills had a boil dry protect element installed to guard against improper use. The element must be installed with the flat pin to the top. If the element is fitted incorrectly then the boil dry protect will cut in early. If your element is fitted correctly and the problem persists then see your retailer. It may be that you need to replace your element.

Gluten Chart

Flavouring Name

Does this flavouring contain any wheat products?

Classic Scotch Whisky

No

Classic Navy Dark Rum

No

Classic Gin

No

Classic American Bourbon

Yes

Classic Brandy

Yes

Classic Tennessee Bourbon

Yes

Classic Finest Reserve Scotch

Yes

Classic Calypso Rum

No

Classic Gin

No

Classic London Dry Gin

No

Top Shelf Dark Rum

No

Top Shelf Tequila

No

Top Shelf Rye Whisky

Yes

Top Shelf Orange Brandy

No

Top Shelf Peach Schnapps

No

Top Shelf Triple Sec

No

Top Shelf Cherry Brandy

No

Top Shelf Coffee Rum

No

Top Shelf Apricot Brandy

No

Top Shelf Dry Vermouth

No

 

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